Trusting Yourself, Honoring Your Gifts & Stepping into Your Soul Work with Morrisa Higer ✨

I am so honored to share this beautiful conversation with the lovely Morrisa Higer. Morrisa is an intuitive reader, channel, tarot teacher, and spiritual guide who helps others reconnect with their intuition and trust their inner wisdom.

In this conversation, Morrisa shares her journey from not realizing that she had psychic abilities to fully embracing her gifts and stepping into her calling. We explore how grief and life's unexpected challenges can become powerful catalysts for healing, awakening, and deeper self-trust. We also dive into the worlds of tarot, channeling, and the Akashic Records, while discussing the role that healing, intuition, and authenticity play in spiritual development. Morrisa offers practical insights for anyone beginning their intuitive journey, including ways to strengthen intuition, work with tarot, and navigate the doubts that can arise along the path.

This episode is a beautiful reminder to trust yourself, follow your soul's callings, and to dive fully into your passions. 💫

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Favorite Quotes: ⭐

"The more that I work in trance at that level of just closeness with spirit, so many of us, our goal in life, it's really just to experience joy."

"We're here to have as many experiences as possible and to feel as much joy as possible. And the part that gets a little tricky is that joy even comes through in things like grief and loss..." 

"And I find that with this work it's always something beautiful you're being shown, it's just whether we're willing to look."

"At different points in our lives, are these catastrophes or just losses. A lot of times if we zoom out, that was this event that felt like your foundation's crumbling beneath you, but it actually just sets you up for something greater."

"So I think a lot of us are doing this dance back and forth at this time where it feels like things are going wrong, but it's really more like a redirection." 

Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Morrisa Higer
01:15 Morrisa's Journey into Intuition and Tarot
06:57 Spiritual Awakening and Grief
12:24 The Emotional Aspect of Psychic Development
18:38 Learning Tarot: Structure vs. Intuition
24:17 Transitioning from Tarot to Channeling
29:27 Understanding the Akashic Records and Channeling
32:26 The Journey of Healing and Trusting the Process
34:15 Channeling: Understanding the Guides and Their Messages
39:27 The Experience of Channeling: Awareness and Flow
43:43 Celebrating Our Gifts: Overcoming Self-Doubt
46:47 Helping You See You: The Power of Reflection
49:51 Humor in Spirit Work: Lightening the Seriousness
56:28 Collective Energy: The Tower and the Chariot Cards
01:02:03 Navigating Doubt: Embracing Your Path
01:07:36 Offerings and Connections: Working with Morrisa Higer

Keywords: Tarot, Channeling, Intuition, Spirituality, Emotional Healing, Akashic Records, Psychic Development, Spiritual Journey, Self-Discovery, Energy Work, Tarot Reader, Trust, Morrisa Higer, MorrisaHigerSees, Morrisa Higer Sees 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hello, welcome to All the Above, where we talk about spirituality, healing modalities, energy, intuitive development, the mystical, and any and everything related to spiritual awakening. My name is Meredith, and I'm so excited that you're here and to jump into today's episode. Hi, welcome back to All the Above. As always, I'm so grateful that you're joining me here today. And I'm so excited to welcome today's guest, Marissa Heiger. Marissa is a tarot card reader, an Akashic Records reader, a tarot teacher, a channel, an intuitive guide, and so much more. And her approach blends deep insight, humor, heartfelt conversation, and wisdom. And today she helps people gain clarity, uncover deep emotional truths, and see their lives through a broader perspective. We first met in a channeling and spiritual development class and recently connected. And I had the gift of witnessing being part of a beautiful channeling circle that she did, which was just incredible and so beautiful. Um and in this conversation, we'll dive into Marissa's journey, her connection to intuition, tarot channeling, everything else. And hi, Marissa. Hi, Meredith. How are you? Good. Thank you so much for joining me. I'm so excited to go into your journey.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

And I'm so excited to be here. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Yeah. Do you want to go right in and share how you got here, your story, your journey, everything that seems relevant to you becoming the Marissa that you are today?

SPEAKER_00 1:43

Yeah, I'll do my best. Um I never thought of myself as psychic or even all that intuitive, if I'm being honest, until a few years ago. Um I was always very interested in all this work and, you know, how it worked, if it was real, all of that. And just for my whole life thought, oh, well, I'm not part of that. Like I didn't grow up in a witchy home or to psychic parents or anything like that. And so I just thought it was something cool that other people did. And, you know, I bought my first deck of tarot cards at like 20 years old, but never learned how to use them until probably three and a half years ago or so. And that was really what just kind of opened Pandora's box on all the things. Um, you know, I took lessons and then I just kind of got into it and started realizing, whoa, I'm saying things and I'm knowing things, and I don't know how I know them or where they're from. And then just the way I am, that little glimmer, I just took it and ran with it. Um, I signed up for every class I could, started working on developing my psychic talents that I didn't even think I had. And just yeah, it's been this interesting journey of just kind of tumbling down one rabbit hole after another until ending up on trans channeling anyway.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

I love that so much and how it happened sort of organically too, where you didn't really seek this out. It seems like it found you in a way.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Yeah. And I I think for years I was just, you know, if it was knocking at the door, I was pretending I didn't hear it because we just we get so conditioned by things, you know. We're so used to hearing X, Y, and Z is just our imagination, or that only happens in movies. And then yeah, especially if you are considered like a smart, successful woman, that adds enough like more pressure on things too. Of just you have to be hyper-realistic and you know, stay at your nine to five and all of that.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

And it's like, no, I love that making that the new normal to just live authentically.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

Exactly. But I think for most of us, even just figuring out what it even means to live authentically is such a challenge because we're not trained to do that at all.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Yeah, no, and you had a different career before this, too. You were in English as a second language teacher. So I think that's so interesting to transition into something so different.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Yeah, and it's it's really funny. I actually wonder this to myself all the time. Um, you know how there's that concept of like you energetically attract people that are in a similar boat as you or on a similar, you know, level. The number of former English teachers who are now tarot readers, astrologers, etc., that I know is so crazy to me. Like, what kind of pipeline is this?

SPEAKER_02 5:10

I love that. I think Laurelyn Jackson, the medium, I think she was also maybe an English teacher or some sort of teacher, but I did not really try that. Yeah, I love that. Um, so you didn't really feel spiritual up until a few years ago, or did you always feel a little bit of a thread to something outside of yourself?

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Uh, that's such a good question. Like I used to say, oh, I'm spiritual but not religious. And I think I never really had something to kind of ground my beliefs into. Um, you know, my family was Jewish and we would like light candles at Hanukkah and I would get gifts, but that was sort of where that started and finished, you know, like I didn't have that, I guess, training, if you will, on just how to have faith or believe in anything specific. But I just, I guess, yeah, you could say I always knew there was something more, there was something bigger. I just never had the words or I guess direct experience with it to really feel as though it were grounded into reality. And I think I think teaching actually made me think about this a lot more because my students were adults and they were from all over the world. And I had a we had a ton of students from Saudi Arabia who were very devout Muslims and could really speak to their beliefs, and even if they were quite different than you know, what we're used to being exposed to, I just always admired how like they just didn't have doubts or questions. It was just like, I believe this and this is what I feel, and that's right. And there was always a little bit of me that was kind of I guess jealous in a way, because I wanted something to believe in so deeply, or you know, I guess a place to put the strong feelings of belief into, if that makes sense. I just never knew how to work with it.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

That's so beautiful, and to see the threads kind of connected through your whole story too, like seeing those bits and pieces in your previous life, career, and seeing how it all sort of connects is so special. Um do you feel like you had a spiritual awakening on this journey, moving into this and making this shift, or was it kind of gentle throughout the transition?

SPEAKER_00 7:54

I think the start was jarring, and then I threw myself into it so forcefully that any non-gentleness was probably on my part. Um shortly after learning tarot, or perhaps even while learning tarot, um, I lost a very dear friend of mine, and that event was harrowing and so full of grief and just awful that I think I think that was a big push towards something I'd been kind of tiptoeing around for so long, if that makes sense. Um, and I think just happening, you know, as I was learning this tool that I could use and that I had wanted to use for so long. Um I think a lot of my, you know, awakening had to do with working through this grief and this loss and on a subconscious level, just wanting to be able to speak to my friend again, you know? And so that just kind of I think pushed me even more forcefully down, you know, the tarot to psychism, to mediumship, to channeling pipeline. Um I think once I started kind of realizing that there was something there in terms of psychic ability, you know, I racked my brain and did all the research on all the ways I could try to open it up more, et cetera. And, you know, it's there were a lot of interesting things I did or like products I bought, or you know, classes I signed up for. Um I feel like there's sort of a big market of people out there just for newly awakened people trying to like capitalize on things. But um yeah, I I tried it all. And I mean, some of my friends thought I was absolutely nuts. Like I remember reading about selenite for the first time, you know, and it's a cleansing stone and this and that, and it'll open your third eye and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I also remembered reading, well, don't put it in water, it will dissolve. And I remember the afternoon I called my friend and was like, yo, what if I dissolve the selenite in this water and drink it? Am I gonna be psychic? And she was like, Please just don't do that. Oh my gosh. Like, that was how I that's I was trying to like unfold this thing that I didn't know I had to start with. It was almost like trying to catch up. It was a funny time.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

I love that. I love how you just dove in. I feel like some people are more tiptoeing, and it sounds like you just plunged all the way into it. And it's interesting hearing you tell your story is I haven't reflected on this, but I have a similar story where at the time that right before I started Reiki, a close friend of mine passed away. And then I had I felt like I needed Reiki so much for the healing during that process. And it really carried me through. And then similarly, it led to developing further modalities, diving deeper because I felt like I really I needed it at the time. So interesting parallel there too. Yeah, I feel like grief does kind of guide us on this path for some of us as an initiation.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Yeah, just like healing in tandem, kind of with learning these different modalities, you know, and exploring our intuition. It's I think that's the part that people don't talk about as much, you know, all the people on Instagram who want to sell us like a psychic development, et cetera, et cetera. Like so many people just glaze over the emotional aspect to it. And so, you know, while I was looking for every shortcut available, including drinking crystals, um it's like, no, you need to cry. Like, that's the thing that's gonna open you up more, you know, or just like feeling all of the feelings. It's and I think you know, a lot of people talk about it. I try to speak to that as much as possible, but it's something that it's easy to say, not always super easy to follow. But if you want to dig into your psychic abilities, like you, there's no way around it.

SPEAKER_02 12:42

I love that. I feel like we need to acknowledge that more. And it does feel so hand in hand. Like the deeper you go in cleansing your, you know, everything we've picked up in this life, the easier it is to feel that connection and connect and awaken and receive all of it.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

Yeah, a thousand percent. I mean, I've been working through a ritual series for close to two years now, and it involves going through the major arcana of the tarot. And, you know, so the third the third card in is the high priestess. And I remember going into this ritual, being so excited, like, oh, I'm just my third eye's gonna open like this, and I'm just you know, gonna levitate and like do all the psychic things, right? Dude, that card ended up. I just I think I cried like the whole two weeks or however long I was in it. Like I literally, it brought up every single heartbreak that I'd kind of tried to dodge. It brought up every single painful memory that I had just glazed over my entire life. And I just remember like laying in my bed, miserable, thinking, how is this the psychic stuff? But then I'd go and you know, have a reading with someone or a gig and it did make it easier. But the process was like, have we cried enough yet? No, I guess not.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

It's funny that you say that because I the high priestess is on my um altar right now. That is the only card I have there because that was I've been trying to put things on my altar that are like visions of where I want to, how I see myself as my kind of highest self, and that's who I chose. So interesting. Interesting to hear that. Maybe what's to come for me. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Well, they really all do, you know, go hand in hand. Like you're not, you can't go, you know, just full psychic and connecting with others' emotions if you don't sort of have that roadmap within you. And that was kind of my big lesson with that card as well of just like so much of my gift is being an empath. And I mean, when I say I was a sad kid, I was a sad kid. Like, I don't really remember being happy or joyous. Like, so many of my young memories were being sad or feeling lonely or feeling like the other kids were making fun of me, or things like that, which honestly didn't really make that much sense because like I came from a really lovely family. You know, my parents kind of spoiled me, and yet so many of my emotions are so difficult. And then, you know, even through into adulthood. And I think I had this feeling shortly after learning tarot of just why what was I waiting for? You know, like why is this coming up so late in life that I'm discovering I can do these things? And it was because I had to have all those emotional experiences because now I can be sitting with someone and I feel this feeling and I know exactly what it is because odds are I've been through it or something just like it. And so it sort of builds this emotional vocabulary, I suppose.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

So beautiful. Yeah. Thanks. I love that to look back on how every part of that hardship and that intensity is now a gift, right? To see it in the light.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

Exactly. Very Chiron.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

Yes. Um, could you talk about how you learned tarot? I've been curious, and I have decks and I'm more of an Oracle card kind of person, but I pull, I love doing tarot polls, but I don't like know the cards. I've never studied it. I've never even read, I have a book about it that I've never read. But but yeah, how did that look for you?

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Yeah. I mean, so I started exactly that same way too. You know, I bought all the books and would do what would like pull a card, look it up, you know, just which is kind of the quickest way to squash your intuition, honestly. Um, but as a person with a lot of Virgo placements, I just wanted to know it all and like not have to sit and be patient, um, which is not how that works. But the way that I learned and that I teach now because it made it a lot easier is to break the whole deck into smaller stories. So, like for example, you know, all of the wands are one story, all of the um swords, all the cups, etc., instead of trying to learn 78 individual cards, I break it down into like five different stories. And that made memorize memorizing them all that much easier. Um, but I think for someone like you, you know, just kind of breezing through what they mean and kind of focusing on the art and what it makes you feel, it is just as valuable. I know our brains like to have, you know, every detail lined up, but they don't have to work that way at all.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

I love that. So it can be intuitive or it can be like structured. It seems like you can kind of just make it work for however your brain works.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

Absolutely. Absolutely. And for my brain, I needed the structure, you know. I wanted to know every card, but it was the magic didn't really start happening until I started having the moments where I would look at a card and look at the person. And, you know, if there are five different meanings for each card, right? Like, how do you know which one to use in that moment? It's when I would start giving myself the space to be in that moment and say, oh, it's, you know, out of A, B, C, D, E, it's B. Like that's the one. And I don't have to explain it. That's like the hardest part to just say what comes to you and let that happen. So it it's a little easier when you have the options already going on in here to be able to pull from them. But yeah, if you're used to working with your intuition, I think you can kind of skip over a lot of that.

SPEAKER_02 19:45

I love that. And like trusting yourself is what it sounds like too, to just trust that flow whenever it does come.

unknown 19:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

I think that's like all psychic work anyway, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:56

It's so true. Yeah. The I feel like that's the hardest part, trusting ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

A thousand percent. And that's the part that like it's not like you get it once and then you have it forever. That's the constant battle every time, every reading, every channeling session. It's allowing what comes through to come through because a lot of times it just doesn't make sense, right? And so that's the part that's hard to trust. And then that's usually the best stuff.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

Yeah. And I'd love to hear about your transition from tarot to channeling. I know you still do tarot, but how that happened for you when you started to feel this pull into a different type of reading and offering.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Yeah, I think there have definitely been different moments with my cards specifically over time that just kind of kept being like reality checks, I suppose, in terms of again trusting my own intuition, my own skills, and actually believing in them. Cause I was the last one to believe it at all, I think, if I'm being honest. Um, but yeah, I think maybe three months after I had the deck down, and I had already had one of those moments of, ooh, let's build on this intuition, right? I remember signing up for some, you know, workshop online that was meant to point out your psychic gifts. And I was like, okay, great, sign me up. Here we go. And when it was my turn, the woman running the workshop said, Oh, you're very similar to me. Like you're definitely an empath and you're using those cards now, but you're not gonna need them long. And I said, Lady, you're nuts. I just learned these like three months ago. They're not going anywhere. What are you talking about, right? So that I kind of put in the back of my head. But then, you know, probably the following summer, I'm reading tarot at a gig, and some random guy I'm reading for is just like, you don't even need those cards. What are you using them for? And I'm like, Oh, that's nice of you. But no, like I need I need these, right? Like, don't steal them from me. And then it just, you know, I started working with a mentor not long after that. And she would say, You don't need those, you know, like we're gonna. She was the one who pushed me to offer, you know, full-blown Akasha greetings instead of just having my cards and like sticking with those and kind of tapping in, but like falling back on the cards. And then it just kind of like kept unraveling from there. Um maybe a year ago, I had another psychic tell me like the cards are getting in your way. And I thought that was kind of crazy too, but he was not wrong. And it's you know, I use tarot now when I'm working like last Saturday, for example. You know, I read Tarot at a wedding reception with blaring music and people drinking and all this stuff. And the cards are a nice way to kind of stay anchored in that chaos, but there are still moments where I'll sort of get lost, and the way to get clear is to push the cards away, which just blows my mind.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

But that is so impressive to do that in a wedding reception. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

It's a different vibe, but it is fun.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Very different. How would you, or what would you say to someone wanting to dive in? I feel like a lot of people are so the opposite. Is there any advice you'd share for someone who is just starting out?

SPEAKER_00 23:52

It's honestly, if you're looking to, you know, learn tarot or learn to dive in psychically, I admit I'm a little bit crazy. I don't expect everyone to do this, but just putting yourself out there, especially with people you don't know or you don't know super well, maybe not blank slate to start with. But when I first started cultivating these gifts, I literally went on my Facebook and I said, Hey, I don't care how long it's been since we've talked. In fact, the longer the better. Let me try reading you, and then just saying the crazy thing. Because that's really the best way to build your confidence is to say the thing that feels nuts. And then when you get that person saying, like, how did you know that? That's that's where the trust is built.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

I love that. Just go for it, just to dive in and start reading and practicing and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Yeah, needing to take that advice. You don't know for sure. Cause it's when you know someone that gives you so much space to start doubting. Cause then you're like, well, it's just because I know you, I know your story, I know what you're doing. It's that's why the stranger find all the strangers.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

I love that. Um, do you feel like the akashic is a main part of your practice? Do you go in there on your own a lot? Or how yeah, what do you what is your your take on the akashic?

SPEAKER_00 25:24

I feel like I'm in trouble. Um I've been I've I've been dodging, like looking into my own soul for an embarrassingly long time now, I think. Um speaking on the Akasha is so interesting because I feel like the more I work with it and the more I work psychically, there really isn't any separation. Um I think because you know, the term Akashic Records came to us, you know, from the East via this Victorian time. Um we associate like oh, the Akashic Records with this big library and these books, and as this place and this space, and it's an interesting like mind tool, I guess, to just sort of envision it and begin to wrap your mind around the concept. But the Akasha is everything, and it's it's funny because after a while I started wondering to myself, like, what is the difference between what I'm calling an Akasha greeting and a psychic reading? And it's really all the same, you know. Um, like in our in class, you know, Mary, our teacher, said someone asked her a very similar question, you know, and I loved what she said that we are all within the Akasha, we contain the Akasha as well. And so it is when you're tapping in psychically, yes, you're tapping into that and everything within it, which is everything. It's it's such a strange thing for us as humans to talk about with this like limited language that we have. But um yeah, I I think just my understanding of that and kind of being open to trying to like wrap this brain around this massive concept is an integral part of any kind of reading, anyways, whether directly or indirectly, because just the more open you are, like the more I guess space you're taking up within the records or the Akasha, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

I love that. I think that's so cool to think about. And it's kind of like how we are all one with each other, with source, with everything, really. And it's just making me think of that like we're there now. We have been there before, we always are there, and yeah, so it is. I love that that there's no kind of separation. And do you feel like you're there when you are doing readings, even if you're not consciously aware of it, but it's always kind of present.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

Yeah, I think it's more just like the active attempt to be there is kind of what makes it feel more like, oh, I'm tapped in or like I'm on, or any of the language that we use around what it means to be, I guess, in the zone to be giving a reading, you know? Um, and so it is just it's one of those things where even if we exist in it all the time, and we do, and even beyond time, right? It's it's all these like mental gymnastics. So even just trying to understand the concept is like one level of that, and then working within it is another level, but just the like mental gymnastics of trying to understand it is also kind of what opens up your intuition and that creativity and that ability to tap into things we can't, you know, see with these two eyes, I think.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

I left that in disclaimer, I opened the records for the podcast for all the above before this. So yeah, it does make me feel more connected and just centered. And yeah, it is kind of like an on-switch a little bit for me when I'm doing things like this and want to feel really connected. And yeah, there's so much to that I'm still understanding with it too, that it like it feels so natural that's still like how can we explain some of this stuff?

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Yeah, and it's I don't know why, but the imagery I just got around all of this is like when you're breaking in a new pair of shoes, it's uncomfortable at first, and you're like so aware of it. And I I think with the Akasha, it's very similar. Like when I first started working with it, you know, I had to have this big ritual around it, and I needed this scent burning, and I needed to be in the tub and like say this prayer and do all these things, and it's like that's so useful at first, just like when you have a brand new pair of shoes, right? You get excited about it. Tying your new shoelaces is this like ritual of its own. But after time goes by, you just end up being able to just throw those shoes on and not think about it, and you don't feel them. They almost become this like second skin. And I I feel like that's sort of how the akasha or like just working with it starts to behave after some time. I mean, I remember giving a reading to someone at some point and saying, Oh no, I forgot to say my prayer, I'm not in there, it's not working. But it was fine. You know, it it's you get accustomed to it and you just it's not that you're, you know, putting it on and taking it off. It's more that awareness of, oh, I'm always in here. We're always connected.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Beautiful. That's so helpful, I think, for me understanding, and just to put words to the experience of yeah, feeling that. I love that. Um and do you want to share a little bit about your experience with channeling, how that unfolded, how it opened up, where you are now with it, and yeah, the energy that you feel with that?

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Yeah, oh my gosh. Um, it's probably the most exciting thing I've ever done. And I don't think I'm exaggerating. Um it's I think what's honestly so cool to me about it is that I did not think I'd be doing this now at this point in time, and literally just over three years of doing any kind of psychic work at all. This to me felt like something that would take years, if not decades, to hone in. And I mean, I'm just in awe of how I mean, we both of us, right, were able to just take this class and be able to tap in and do this. And um, you know, I had actually studied this a tiny bit with my old mentor in a class that she had um put out. And I I think I did it like one time, but kind of back to that conversation around healing, I was healing through a lot of really difficult stuff at that point and was just kind of overwhelmed by, oh, I should be practicing this more, and I need to just trust in this. And it's it just felt so impossible then that I just tabled it for so long and coming back to it had no expectations, which is kind of the most helpful thing for a lot of this work, right? Totally there's there's that, but then you know, just time sometimes and letting myself get through the other stuff that was coming up when I first started, and in all honesty, maybe giving myself a break too was helpful. Um, but yeah, I think just honestly being in class and like meeting so many lovely people and getting all of that practice really helped. And um yeah, just again, like all the trust, right? Like just saying the crazy things and seeing how it works.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Um, do you feel like you know who you're channeling? So is it your higher self, or do you have guides that you can identify that come through?

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Yeah, and you know, it's funny when we first started, you know, class and channeling, and I got so in my head about who am I talking to or who's speaking through me, I suppose. But um yeah, I am still putting the finishing touches on understanding who it is, but at this point in time, it's kind of a consortium of different hearth goddesses. Um I know Bridget is there from the Celtic um group, and that's my number one guide anyway, so I wasn't totally shocked to see her there. Um and I know Hestia from the Greek mythology is there as well. I'm determining whether Vesta is there or not from the Roman mythology. Um I do work with her in kind of a different capacity. Um, but yeah, it's this like very ancient, very wise, very nurturing and motherly kind of energy. Um, but definitely a plural plural group given how they speak. Um, it is always, you know, we. Um but yeah, that's that's who it is. And I think I'm still gonna learn more as this unfolds, but that's my main group for now.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

I love that. And just wanting to validate that too, that it did feel so motherly and wise and ancient when we did when I was part of your channeling circle recently. And yeah, it was just like this beautiful storytelling that also at the end I was like, oh, she's an English teacher. I didn't know that at the time. And it like it felt like they were using your knowledge of words and the depth of just the beauty of of speech. And it was, yeah, so beautiful. And I'm excited to yeah, hear you share more about that and for more of that to come.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

Yeah, thank you so much. It's yeah, it's wild. I mean, when they say you're channeling, you know, you're not separate from who you're channeling, and none of us are separate anyways, but it's it's it is one of those things where I find that when Spirit says something really wise, I go into this, like, oh, that wasn't me. They said that. And it's such an unusual way of thinking, I guess, you know, it's it's like, but it's literally coming out of your mouth, and so it is part of you, but it really does just kind of show even as the channel, it shows you these aspects of self that you don't really recognize fully. Um, I mean, I always consider myself a pretty intelligent person, but when I hear what comes out of my mouth in trance, it's like, whoa. Um or even the nurturing piece. Like I'm more of a goofball in my day-to-day, you know, I'm the one who will like joke through all the feelings. Um, like, yes, I love to gas people up, but it's usually more of that, like, oh my god, you go, girl, kind of thing than whatever's happening in trance, you know, like spirit is all like, oh yes, dear, and just so direct and just really shines this light on how lovely people are, but without the joking around or like the giggles, it's just like, no, this is you, and you are gonna look at how great you are. And I think that is just a level of depth that is so strange to see. Be not that I'm not a caring person, but it's like I'm not motherly like that, or I never thought of myself as motherly in that way, but that is exactly what's coming out in trance. So it's this really interesting kind of split. That's all me, but just you know, a different iteration, I suppose. I don't know how to really say it.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

I think that's such a great way to say it and explain it because it is you, but it's also this other aspect of you. Um, are you aware when you're channeling? Do you have a bit of awareness of what you're saying? Like I usually have a bit like I'm hearing it, listening to myself speak, kind of. Is that similar for you?

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Yeah, it's it's kind of a weird like flow or almost like waterfall of words, thoughts, phrases. It's it's never a complete idea. Like it, it will, you know, I know I'm starting because I'll get a couple of words and they're just hanging. There's no if there's a subject, there's no verb, you know what I'm saying? And so I kind of have to say the first two things to get the next two things, but then whatever came before that's gone. So yes, I can hear it, but it it doesn't make sense. And I can also kind of hear my own mind going, well, what's what are we gonna say next? What's coming out after this? Is it gonna be a complete sentence? You know, just all the like blah blah blah. So yeah, I guess I have the a rough idea of the subject matter, but the details, no, not really.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

I love that. Yeah. And then do you come out of it and you're kind of like, what did I just say? Like, not really have much of a memory of the entire experience.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

It's it's sort of that like dreamlike kind of quality where you're like, I know the plot, but you know, what happened at this part or what happened at that part is there are a lot of questions usually. And it does sort of depend, you know, from session to session. Sometimes it feels a lot lighter and you can kind of hear more. Um, but yeah, other times they're it's a lot less clear, like in the circle, for example, you know, with five people's energy versus just one-on-one. A lot of that was really fuzzy.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

That makes sense. Yeah. It's so cool. I love that. And I love how you are just explaining this too, because I think it is hard for people to wrap their head around if you've never experienced this, if you've never heard of it, if you've never tried it. Um so I think that's really helpful for people to hear how it comes through and like what's happening with you during that. And it's not like this crazy out of body experience, but it can be, I guess. Um, but it is still just Marissa there sharing and speaking and it's so beautiful. What a yeah, what a gift to share that.

SPEAKER_00 42:01

Thank you. And yeah, it's it is so fun, it is so just different too. And in some ways, you know, I've I've had the thought so many times recently where I think I had it built up to this super impossible thing to do. And I think part of that is TV and movies where you know someone's voice is completely different and their eyes are bugging out of their head, or like whatever. That just it creates this gap that makes everything feel so unmanageable because it's that part's not real, you know what I'm saying? Or like my old mentor was such a good, like deep channeler that I think that was also in my head of like, oh, I'll never be able to do that. But we can, we just have to get over ourselves and let it happen.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

I love that. And kind of on that note, you shared something recently on Instagram that I really loved. And it was about oh my gosh, I feel like I'm not going to say this correctly or as beautifully as you did, but it was something about like how can we celebrate our gifts and share our ourselves and put ourselves out there and um how we all sort of can like put ourselves, not celebrate ourselves and want to lift other people up. But could you speak to that a little bit and how what can we do to get over that, to help ourselves, to put ourselves out there and let ourselves shine as we really are?

SPEAKER_00 43:43

You know, I I think that's really the perennial question, is it not? And especially as women too, I think we we walk this really, I want to say fine line. I don't think it's actually a fine line. I think it's just an annoying line. Between, you know, how do we speak about ourselves and what we do and what we're proud of, and not sound arrogant. Now, I think that's the question we ask ourselves in our heads, um, thinking that, you know, it's it's you share one achievement and then you sound like a total jerk. And that's so not realistic. Um, you know, I think we're just trained that, like, oh, if you talk about what you're doing too much or you speak with too much confidence, people are gonna think X, Y, and Z about you. And it really makes it so much harder to see our own good qualities when we're so scared to even speak about them because we don't want to sound off-putting, and so I'm not really even sure what the answer is to that because I struggle with it, and you know, part of you know what I love about what I do so much is that I get to see how I'm not alone in so many of these struggles. So, part of my inspiration in posting that video is because I had had that conversation with like 10 different people in 10 different days, you know, of just like, can't you see how great you are? And then it's like, well, sometimes, but I don't want to be tooting my own horn. And it's like, why is it zero to a hundred? Like, well, what is that middle? You know, it's it's it's not a fine line, it's a pretty wide one. We just get so in our heads about how we come come off that we we hide from ourselves, you know. I think one of the lines I use there is like there's so many smart, intelligent, successful, beautiful women walking out there who have no idea that they have those qualities, even though everyone around them sees it. It's like we're the last to know, you know?

SPEAKER_02 46:07

Oh, that's so good. And yeah, I think it's so helpful just talking about that. So we all feel less alone in that same feeling and can help each other and like cheer each other on whenever we are sharing those little wins and moments. So thank you for that. I love that. Yeah, you're so welcome. And then there's one thing on your website, which is such a beautiful website. Um, but I love this quote you have there: helping you see you like I see you. And I just think that is so beautiful. And I'd love for you just to speak on what that means to you and how that came to you through your sessions and work.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

Yeah, I I think honestly, that connects so much with what we were, you know, just saying. It's so many, there's so many people out there who are just so I don't mean beautiful just in the aesthetic sense, but just like beautiful people doing beautiful work and just doing their best in life, you know, but there's so many expectations that we put on ourselves, that our families put on us, society puts on us, you know, etc. etc. That we get so lost in the sauce of what we're not doing, and then focus on all of that, that it is hard to see our own good qualities, you know. Um, and oftentimes we do just need someone to kind of hold that mirror up and like force us to look at the good in ourselves. Um, and I think you know, that goes, it honestly goes both ways a lot of times in this work. Um you you certainly the more you do psychic work, the more you see that when people talk about like attracting like and you know, just energetic polls towards people, like that is so real. And the way that manifests when you're doing a busy event is you will get 10 people going through exactly what you're going through, and just kind of being forced to listen to yourself give guidance on something that you yourself need to hear and see. So it's we're all just mirrors, is really what it's all about. And sometimes you have to be forced to look in that mirror, and I find that with this work, it's always something beautiful you're being shown. It's just whether we're willing to look.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

I love that the willingness to look at it all is so profound, and I feel like we can spend so long hiding from the truth and who we really are and our light. So I love that.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

We hear so much about you know taking off the rose-colored glasses. It's like, no, let's put on some rosier glasses. I I think that's one of the worst, the worst tricks, you know, like the the rose-colored glasses, I guess, are how we see our own beauty, but we're told that it's not real.

SPEAKER_02 49:32

Oh, thank you for that. Okay, and then a few things, little questions to wrap up. You have such an incredible sense of humor, and I was wondering if you have any funny stories or experiences that you have that you'd like to share across your time doing this work. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 49:55

So many stories. Um I think honestly, so much of the humor that I find has to do with I mean, I I think just the thing that ties together every aspect of my life is words and my love for words. Um but with spirit work, it's not always as easy to like get to the words, right? And for me, one of the skills that I worked the hardest to develop and really put a lot of pressure on myself to develop was my clairvoyance. And clairvoyance is cool, but a lot of times you just feel like you're playing what I call spirit pictionary. So, like you'll see a thing, and then when it comes time to describe it or try to give a message, it's like I have no idea what's going on here. Um, so like one of my favorite stories, and this kind of just adds to the just trusting yourself to say the thing idea. Um, you know, I was reading for a client, and I I hadn't even actually started the reading. This was in person, and I think she was just shuffling her car, you know, the cards because I have everyone do that. And all I could see in my mind's eye was broccoli. Like, not a little bit of like so much broccoli, like mushy steamed broccoli, to the point that I was like, am I about to say this to this person? But like, hey girl, I'm just seeing so much broccoli right now. I and I don't, I'm just gonna say it because it's there. And I remember being so nervous and so scared to say it, but feeling at the same time like, oh, I have to. And she just starts laughing. And I'm like, okay, what's so funny about broccoli, right? And she had been asking about her partner, and she says, So my partner's mom, when he was growing up, anytime he was sick, she would make him broccoli. And he kind of took that concept and has like reddened it off into adulthood. And whenever he is like physically sick or he's working through something emotionally, he makes broccoli. And so you're so spot on. And I was just like, what? Because it was so absurd, it was just so silly, but like spirit just is silly sometimes, and it will come out to like match the person, you know. Like I remember a separate time I was giving a reading to this woman, and we were towards the end, and um, you know, she had one final question or something, and just looking for confirmation, and her spirit guides just went. I was like, I'm just gonna show you what they did. And she, you know, she laughs, and I'm laughing because I wouldn't probably never give a double thumbs up like that. But she's just laughing because she's like, Yep, I'm a nerd. I guess my guides are nerds, and we're all nerds and we're happy, and it's so cute.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

I love that, you know, that's so fun. Uh, the broccoli story. Trusting yourself too, again, to just say it.

SPEAKER_00 53:27

Yeah, or like another one of my favorites. Um, I was doing a reading for a new mom. I mean, like new mom. She was literally like breastfeeding at the table getting her reading, but like again, kind of the same idea where she hadn't even we hadn't even really gotten into the reading. And I remember saying to her, I said, I'm spitting this out because it feels really specific, but like almost too specific, it might be a metaphor. And I said, I see you sitting and crocheting this blanket, and for some reason, it feels very important that you're two-thirds of the way done with this blanket, but also this blanket is your autonomy, and she's just like, What? And I have my eyes closed for all this, and I just open my eyes and see this like shocked look on her face, and she goes, Well, obviously, like I'm a new, new mom, and you know, I don't have a lot of autonomy, and you're dead right. I I did take up crocheting because I needed to find something to do for myself. But yes, like I am two-thirds of the way done, and I also kind of don't want to finish it, but like you said, it's the thing I'm doing for me, so it's so complicated and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was just like, okay, thanks, spirit, for the like two-thirds and whatever. But it was just so bizarre because you know, doesn't really matter how long you're doing it sometimes when it's that specific, it it feels strange, it feels funny, and you're just like, okay, I'll say the thing, and then it's like it hits, it lands. I don't know. But just yeah, the way it's presented sometimes, it's like, did we have to use that to bring up that conversation? I don't know, but does it register something for people? Also, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

I love that. Ugh, so specific, and so it just takes you right into the core of why they're there, I think, sometimes too, without you even thinking about it, where it just pops in like that.

SPEAKER_00 55:45

And I think, you know, when it's when it's something like odd or funny like that, I think it just makes people more comfortable. And it's just also, you know, like getting a reading can be really profound and serious, but it also doesn't have to be like so serious, you know, and just totally taking the fear away and alleviating people's anxiety is so helpful.

SPEAKER_02 56:09

I love that. And then back to tarot. I am wondering if you intuitively have a card coming up for the collective right now, if there's anything you've been seeing maybe coming up a lot in readings, or just if there's something where you're like, this feels like the energy of what's going on in the world right now.

SPEAKER_00 56:32

So it's funny. Uh I would say at the wedding I did the other night, I saw so much of the Nine of Cups, which is the wished fulfillment card. It's like, you know, the happy Buddha is what a lot of people call him. Um, or call that card, I should say. I'm trying to think if that's what the collective one would be. It's it's that's the thing when you do an event like that where everyone knows each other too. It's a little tricky. Should I pull one? Or should I close my eye?

SPEAKER_02 57:04

I love that. Yeah, whatever feels best to you.

SPEAKER_00 57:09

It's funny in my mind's eye, I'm seeing the tower right now, which I know is a card that kind of strikes a lot of fear into a lot of people, but I don't I don't necessarily see it that way. I mean, yeah, it can be a harbinger of a life oopsie, we'll call it, but uh I like to say with the tower too, it can be like a it doesn't have to be a breakdown, it can be a breakthrough, right? I also feel like the tower kind of speaks in a way to speaking as well, you know, like getting out the thoughts, but I think I'm probably seeing that in my mind's eye just because we are heading into you know summer right now. I think there's so much change that we all kind of feel happening in the background, but don't quite know how to put words to it yet. So there is this sort of like looming kind of energy. Um I find it kind of exciting. I think a lot of people feel feel it with a little bit of fear or anxiety, but I love that.

SPEAKER_02 58:27

Let's feel card and see what we get for everybody. Amazing, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 58:32

You're welcome. Yeah, let's see what comes up.

SPEAKER_00 58:36

Uh you know, I just pulled the chariot for the collective. I think that fits too. Um, I mean, the chariot speaks to, we've been in a nutshell talking about confidence in one way or another, this entire chat, I think. And the chariot really speaks to that as well. Um, and one of my favorite details on this card are these two little sphinxes up front here. You know, they're black and white, they're mysterious, and they're what's pulling the whole thing forward. Um, you know, but confidence to follow the mystery somewhat blindly. Ooh, that's everything we've been talking about.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

I love that so much. That's really speaking to me right now, for sure. Thank you. Is there a card that you're relating to right now, or that feels like part of your journey that you might want to share, or that maybe sums up where you are? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:45

Um well, maybe I saw the tower a moment ago because that's on my mind a lot. Um, in terms of my ritual series that I mentioned earlier. That's my next, that's my next one. I've been putting it off. Um I I am kind of already anticipating it will have more to do with the letting that throat chakra shine, right? Just putting yourself out there. Um, so that's one that's been on my mind a lot. But I've also been doing a lot of thinking in general about, I guess, good and bad, good and evil, or like, you know, how we categorize people, places, events, things as good or bad. And oh, I feel like this is getting like super meta, but a lot how a lot of the things that we at different points in our lives think are these like catastrophes or just losses, you know. A lot of times if we zoom out, it's like, yeah, that was this event that felt like, you know, your foundation's crumbling beneath you, but it actually just sets you up for something greater. So I think a lot of us are sort of doing this dance back and forth at this time where it feels like things are going wrong, but it's really more like a redirection or just all these big changes that feel like the whole world's about to be going through.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:21

I don't know. I love that. I relate to that too. I feel like we're all yeah, everyone's on this journey of like figuring out this unfoldment is kind of what it feels like to me, or knowing there's something there, but not being quite there yet, and yeah, connecting the dots a bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:42

Yeah, it it's you know, we all say like different people having different experiences, but it's the more people I talk to recently, it's like, no, we're all kind of having that same experience right now. It's really it's something.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

So interesting. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:02

Well pleasure.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:04

What would you say to anyone who might be doubting this work? Or how do you deal with people who don't have a great welcoming attitude? Or maybe you don't encounter that. I would love if you don't encounter that, but gosh.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

Um I very cyclically encounter that. Um, and it used to bother me so much. I think the the one thing that used to upset me the most is when people would, you know, this this would happen more in like a public setting, you know, a market or a big party or something along those lines where you'll get people who are just like, ooh, tarot, that's so scary, or like, oh, you know, like call the ghosts on me or Satan or whatever. And it's I used to get so stressed out about that because in my mind I'm like, you're afraid of me? Like, really? I mean, I know I'm wearing black today, but I I'm usually like extra cute at these things. I try to avoid dark, you know, like I look very welcoming. Um, I never stop smiling. I don't like that's more of a toxic trait than anything else. I can't help it. But when I hear that, like, oh, it's so scary, I'm like, that's on you, I guess, you know. And I used to try to explain and like talk about what a psychic reading is or isn't, but I don't bother with it anymore. That's that's and I don't say that like it was this easy off switch. This took a lot of work to get through, but it's that like people-pleasing tendency that I was born with, you know, you you want everyone to feel comfortable, you want everyone to feel happy, but at a certain point you kind of realize, hey, that's A, impossible. And like B, if I turn that person away or I just shrug and I say, Hey, cool, you don't have to get a reading with me. Like, I'm not twisting your arm, you know. As soon as they walk away, someone more open, willing, and a better match comes through. And it's I think learning to deal with people doing that, that was a big part of my journey, you know. Um, because I didn't not that I was even trying to defend myself that much, but more just like I didn't want people to have that opinion or fear, and took a lot of it on myself. And it's not, it's not for us, you know. That's that's their thing. And for every person like that, there's someone kind of waiting in the wings who needs just what you have.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:59

I love that. That's such a beautiful answer, and yeah, to not let it impact you. And then I love that you can see the actual like the other person there after um coming in to like the light coming in to fill the shadow and to give you that little boost.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:17

Yeah, and it I mean, it is quite literal most of the time. And I I remember there was a period where this was happening everywhere I went, and it really was getting under my skin. And I, you know, had talked to a few people about it, and I had a friend who, if I'm being dead honest, is kind of scary. You know, she's like full goth and the black lipstick and like a Capricorn stellium, and just like real intense. And I remember talking to her about this, and it had happened to me like three times in one day or something. And she's like, Oh, that's happened to me once or twice. And I said, like in life, like in your whole career doing Readings? She said, Yeah. And I'm like, this happened to me in my frilly white dress today, three times. Like, the math isn't mathing, you know, like I don't, I don't get it. And I remember finally, you know, I talked to my mentor, and her answer was, Oh, you need to raise your prices. And I was like, How does that connect? You know? And she said, those all of this connects, you know, these people are coming up to you and they're talking to you like this because yes, you are approachable. You do look very nice. You know, people aren't like, yeah, people aren't afraid of you. So they're walking up to you and telling you you're scary. She says, I know it sounds crazy, but like that is what's happening. She said, if you raise your prices, that shows that you value yourself and therefore won't take that kind of nonsense. And so you won't get it.

unknown 1:07:04

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:04

And I still wasn't getting it. I said, like, in this economy, are you nuts? But I tried it, and she was 100% right. No one said it to me anymore. People tipped on top of it, you know, it was like this whole thing, and it did bring better people in in general. It's it's wild.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:24

Oh, amazing. I love that. And then can you just speak a little bit about your offerings and how people can work with you, find you, and yeah, experience your magic?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:36

Yeah, absolutely. Um, so I have my website, marissahigersees.com. Um, my Instagram is the same. Um currently my my favorite offerings are my one-on-ones online. Um, I offer a blended reading style, although I am leaning heavily into the trance these days because it's just so deep and profound and I love it. Um, I do a lot of private parties as well. So anything from, you know, getting a bunch of your friends together for a fun night in with some readings to like a whole wedding reception and anything in between. Um, in fact, the more creative, the better. Like if you can reach out to me with a kind of party I've never even thought of, I will love you that much more. Um I am also available for like tarot tutoring. Um, I do workshops sometimes. Um and yeah, stay tuned to my Instagram for more trance circles coming up. TV game.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:52

Oh, I love it. Yeah, that was such an amazing experience. And then just before we go, is there a final quote or anything that you'd like to share with listeners? Oh my goodness. So much higher pressure, I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:11

Um you know, the one thing that I was thinking about before, the more that I work in trance at that level of just closeness with spirit, so many of us, our goals in life, it's really just to experience joy. Like if you took everyone's kind of, you know, calling or what have you, spirit is always taking it back to just we're here to have as many experiences as possible and to feel as much joy as possible. And the part that gets a little tricky is that joy even comes through in things like grief and loss because the full spectrum of experiences there should be joy in having as many experiences as possible.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:11

Oh, Marissa, that is so beautiful. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:16

I came up with that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:17

Yeah, I was like, I think you're channeling right now. I love that. This has been such a beautiful, fun conversation, and I'm so grateful for your time, your light, your wisdom, for sharing your story with all of us, your truth, and for being out there in the world and sharing your gifts. You are such a gift, such a light, and so grateful. And yes, sending you so much love. And thank you so much for for doing this and sharing and being here, Marissa.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:53

My pleasure, Meredith. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:56

Okay, bye, Marissa. Bye. Thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of all the above. I hope you found some wisdom, insights, uh, remembrances within yourself. And I hope you remember how beautiful and divine you are, and that you have so much to offer and bring to this world. And your gifts are so needed. You're so needed exactly as you are. And with that, if I haven't said it yet, I want to send you so much love and light. And thank you so, so much for being here. I hope you have the most magical day. And I will uh see you soon.